tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post336175156514340870..comments2023-10-31T07:23:17.922-04:00Comments on The Theos Project: Should women speak in church?Jonathan Erdmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04234688186113838474noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-19920796521575335442009-06-09T14:57:05.083-04:002009-06-09T14:57:05.083-04:00ut影音視訊聊天室13077ut女同聊天室免費視訊聊天上班族聊天室免費線上成人影片新浪辣妹視訊情人視...<a href="http://eee767.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">ut影音視訊聊天室13077</a><a href="http://eee768.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">ut女同聊天室</a><a href="http://eee769.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">免費視訊聊天</a><a href="http://eee770.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">上班族聊天室</a><a href="http://eee771.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">免費線上成人影片</a><a href="http://eee772.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">新浪辣妹視訊</a><a href="http://eee773.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">情人視訊網</a><a href="http://eee774.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">ut 聊天室</a><a href="http://eee775.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">聊天室找一夜</a><a href="http://eee776.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">中部人聊天室</a><a href="http://eee777.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">a片免費</a><a href="http://eee778.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">美女視訊-娛樂網</a><a href="http://eee779.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">豆豆聊天</a><a href="http://eee780.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">聊天室交友</a><a href="http://eee781.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">080中部人聊天室</a><a href="http://eee782.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">080 聊天室</a><a href="http://eee783.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">6k聊天館</a><a href="http://eee784.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">貓咪論壇</a><a href="http://eee785.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">080豆豆聊天室</a><a href="http://eee786.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">豆豆聊天室13 15歲</a><a href="http://eee787.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">聊天室080</a><a href="http://eee788.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">摯愛中年聊天室</a><a href="http://eee789.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">aaaaa片俱樂部影片</a><a href="http://eee790.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">情色</a><a href="http://eee791.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">情色貼圖</a><a href="http://eee792.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">情色a片</a><a href="http://eee793.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">情色文學</a><a href="http://eee794.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">情色小說</a><a href="http://eee795.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">情色視訊</a><a href="http://eee796.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">台灣kiss情色文學</a><a href="http://eee797.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">彩虹性愛巴士</a><a href="http://eee798.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">情色交友</a><a href="http://eee799.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">情色論壇</a><a href="http://eee800.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">聊天室ut</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-43869526419208021612006-12-14T13:55:00.000-05:002006-12-14T13:55:00.000-05:00Thanks very much. This is a prohibition in the chu...Thanks very much. This is a prohibition <i>in the church</i>. I wonder what the neighbors would've thought when they heard people speaking in tongues and prophesying in there? And what about violating the kosher food laws? Paul doesn't seem all that squeamish about violating certain taboos -- why this one? And he invokes the Law. And he invokes shame and disgrace for the women who speak, not for the men who don't speak against the local customs. <br /><br />I think Paul really believed what he was saying here. If it was a cultural thing, I don't see evidence in the text that Paul thought of it in terms of cultural relativity. Throw in the I Timothy reference and it really seems like Paul believes what he's saying. In <i>my</i> day the evangelical seminaries taught this as the absolute Word of God.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-35457488347037804202006-12-14T13:11:00.000-05:002006-12-14T13:11:00.000-05:00I think both scenarios beg the question of context...I think both scenarios beg the question of context. <br /><br />Bush has always maintained that it was the right decision "given the information available at the time." When he makes this statement he is directing us to the context within which the decision was made. Of course, we can debate Bush's claim till the cows come home (to use a (mid)western expression).<br /><br />With Paul I don't think it was the wrong decision <b>based on the context</b> to tell women to be silent in the church. If the above view of Paige is correct (or close to correct) then that means that a woman's interaction with the opposite gender would have been perceived by the ancient Mediteranean world as inapporpriate or even seductive.<br /><br />Surely you, of all people, can appreciate exhortations that are made within a particular social/cultural context/setting??? No?<br /><br />(By the way I give you a star for a clever analogy. As if the gender issue were not controversial enough you have found a way to highten the tension by introducing current political debate!)Jonathan Erdmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04234688186113838474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-43574772680062518012006-12-14T12:35:00.000-05:002006-12-14T12:35:00.000-05:00Paul brings out the big guns when he justifies the...Paul brings out the big guns when he justifies the submission of women. It's disgraceful, it's contrary to the Law, it's part of God's curse after the Fall, and so on. It kind of reminds me of Bush justifying the war in Iraq: they've got WMDs, Saddam is pals with Bin Laden, yadayada. He really wanted to invade Iraq, and he thought these arguments would sell it. Even after the evidence demonstrated the near-zero likelihood of WMDs and al-Qaida linkage, supporters of Bush said things like, "Well, it was still a good idea to oust that evil genocidal dictator, and would you rather have him still in power?" But maybe the decision to invade was just a bad idea regardless of rationale.<br /><br />So: Paul uses whatever rationales he can to get the "right thing" to happen; i.e., keep women from positions of teaching and authority. And then it turns out this was a bad idea regardless of rationale. Not only was Paul succumbing to social pressure to do the wrong thing, but he was using his apostolic authority and that of the Scriptures to justify it. Shame on him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-31774243889884063552006-12-14T11:12:00.000-05:002006-12-14T11:12:00.000-05:00Another good link on 1 Timothy 2:
http://benwither...Another good link on 1 Timothy 2:<br />http://benwitherington.blogspot.com/2006/02/literal-renderings-of-texts-of.htmlJonathan Erdmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04234688186113838474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-66698616107279460232006-12-14T10:59:00.000-05:002006-12-14T10:59:00.000-05:00Thought I would also pass on that there is a buzz ...Thought I would also pass on that there is a buzz of discussion on 1 Timothy 2. (Verse 12 = "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.")<br /><br />Here is the link:<br />http://www.jesuscreed.org/?p=1792Jonathan Erdmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04234688186113838474noreply@blogger.com