tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post5373449152330343541..comments2023-10-31T07:23:17.922-04:00Comments on The Theos Project: Reason, Lewis, and the faithJonathan Erdmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04234688186113838474noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-81969843394056417412009-06-09T14:46:26.817-04:002009-06-09T14:46:26.817-04:00358成人影城358成人影城3388影片區3388影片區25xxx成人影城25xxx成人影城24h免...<a href="http://eee230.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">358成人影城</a><a href="http://eee231.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">358成人影城</a><a href="http://eee232.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">3388影片區</a><a href="http://eee233.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">3388影片區</a><a href="http://eee234.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">25xxx成人影城</a><a href="http://eee235.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">25xxx成人影城</a><a href="http://eee236.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">24h免費成人頻道</a><a href="http://eee237.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">24h免費成人頻道</a><a href="http://eee238.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">視訊交友</a><a href="http://eee239.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">173視訊聊天</a><a href="http://eee240.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">173視訊聊天</a><a href="http://eee241.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">173liveshow視訊美女</a><a href="http://eee242.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">173liveshow視訊美女</a><a href="http://eee243.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">視訊聊天室v6 0</a><a href="http://eee244.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">080視訊聊天室</a><a href="http://eee245.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">080視訊聊天室</a><a href="http://eee246.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">0401 影音視訊聊天室</a><a href="http://eee247.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">0401 影音視訊聊天室</a><a href="http://eee248.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">168 視訊聊天室</a><a href="http://eee249.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">視訊聊天室lover99</a><a href="http://eee250.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">168 視訊聊天室</a><a href="http://eee251.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">uthome 視訊聊天室</a><a href="http://eee252.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">uthome 視訊聊天室</a><a href="http://eee253.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">546 視訊聊天室</a><a href="http://eee254.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">546 視訊聊天室</a><a href="http://eee255.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">免費視訊聊天室</a><a href="http://eee256.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">免費視訊聊天室</a><a href="http://eee257.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">club 意難忘視訊交友</a><a href="http://eee258.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">club 意難忘視訊交友</a><a href="http://eee259.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">免費 msn 視訊交友 0982</a><a href="http://eee260.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">視訊聊天室</a><a href="http://eee261.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">免費 msn 視訊交友 0982</a><a href="http://eee262.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">qq 視訊交友</a><a href="http://eee263.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">qq 視訊交友</a><a href="http://eee264.leebu.org.tw" rel="nofollow">lover99 視訊交友</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-76905683742375962272006-10-14T04:56:00.000-04:002006-10-14T04:56:00.000-04:00As a kind of outsider I find myself becoming overl...As a kind of outsider I find myself becoming overly contentious in order to open up certain possibilities. It seems that Lewis is universally admired within evangelicalism broadly construed. I have significant problems with Lewis -- not far off from objections most Christians would have to Sam Harris in <i>The End of Faith</i> (assuming any Christians ever read his book). In a way they're both high-class pamphleteers preaching to their respective choirs. I'll carry on with <i>Screwtape</i> for awhile and see if I can cut him a break. I'll report back later.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-67379040701137197792006-10-13T15:42:00.000-04:002006-10-13T15:42:00.000-04:00John Doyle said:
...the implication being that Chr...John Doyle said:<br /><i>...the implication being that Christianity will win any rigorous argument about materialism. Lewis clearly means to imply that materialists haven’t really thought their position through, that they believe irrationally.<br /></i><br /><br />My read of Lewis may differ a bit from yours...<br /><br />The context of the Screwtape Letters is an Uncle tempter writing to his young nephew on <i>the best way to keep humans away from "the enemy" (God) and eventually get them into "our father's house" (hell)</i>.<br /><br />Now, I don't mean to patronize you by recounting the plot line that you obviously already know, but my point is simply to say that Lewis is crafting a scenario where the temptors are looking for <i>the best way</i> to keep humans from God. Hence, the advice of Uncle Screwtape will always be to guard against putting the human in situations where he or she may <i>potentially</i> reach out to God in spirit and in truth.<br /><br />Lewis is not necessarily saying that the materialists or atheists do not have "rigorous arguments." Rather, on my reading, Lewis is simply saying that putting a human in a situation where he or she thinks rationally is more "dangerous" for the tempters because it opens humans up to ultimate issues. In short, deep thinking is shaky ground. Much better to keep a human on the temporal wave-length where he or she can focus on the senses.<br /><br />Now, having said that, your real issue may simply be that you think Lewis a bit arrogant and pretentious. Perhaps he is. Or perhaps just rationally over-zealous. Either way I think it only illustrates that Lewis was a man of his time. Don't you read the same attitude in Bertrand Russell?Jonathan Erdmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04234688186113838474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-62369041302984633282006-10-13T09:08:00.000-04:002006-10-13T09:08:00.000-04:00Geez, I guess my comment on Lewis was just so outr...Geez, I guess my comment on Lewis was just so outrageous there's nothing to be said -- kind of like talking to a crazy man. I once sent three long emails to an Anglican priest critiquing <i>The Abolition of Man</i> and heard absolutely nothing from him in reply.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-17897401049098111322006-10-11T15:15:00.000-04:002006-10-11T15:15:00.000-04:00I agree that the failure to think rigorously throu...I agree that the failure to think rigorously through issues is endemic and prevents our approaching more closely to whatever truths might be available to us. And I think you're right in that people can be converted either toward or away from Christianity by devious and manipulative means.<br /><br />I hesitate… and yet I must. I find C.S. Lewis to be a mean-spirited propagandist posing as a dispassionately reasonable man. Wormwood is trying to lead his “patient” away from God and toward materialism. Don’t argue for materialism, says Screwtape; use irrational means of persuasion like jargon and propaganda. <i>“Don’t waste time trying to make him think materialism is true!”</i> – the implication being that Christianity will win any rigorous argument about materialism. Lewis clearly means to imply that materialists haven’t really thought their position through, that they believe irrationally.<br /><br /><i>“Above all, do not attempt to use science (I mean, the real sciences) as a defence against Christianity. They will positively encourage him to think about realities he can’t touch or see.”</i> The implication is that “real” sciences will lead the rational man to reject materialism in favor of Christianity. Lewis had some weird ideas about “real” science.” In <i>The Abolition of Man</i> he expresses great admiration for the science of Rudolph Steiner, the founder of theosophy and kind of a scientific crackpot – go check out his ideas on Wikipedia or elsewhere.<br /><br />Lewis is Aristotelian by intellectual temperament, reasoning from first principles that are not subject to doubt. Those who do doubt the presuppositions thereby reveal themselves as morally corrupt. <i>“From the way some of you young fiends talk, anyone would suppose it was our job to teach!”</i> The smugness and contempt drips from every page.<br /><br />And hello, Sam L Carr. I'm John Doyle at OST -- we've engaged in interesting discussions over there in the past. This time we're not on the same side, but there have been other days, and there will be other days to come...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-85514261288281172122006-10-11T13:26:00.000-04:002006-10-11T13:26:00.000-04:00Nice post, really makes one think - reason... also...Nice post, really makes one think - reason... also enjoyed your comments at OST, helps very much in setting out the issues and focussing the discussion. I'll visit often so keep posting!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12014124722441378520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-84249659625782220652006-10-11T08:19:00.000-04:002006-10-11T08:19:00.000-04:00The guy is a genius! He's almost too smart!
I'm l...The guy is a genius! He's almost <i>too</i> smart!<br /><br />I'm listening to the Screwtape Letters right now, and it is amazing the insights that Lewis has...I haven't listened to this since I was a kid - it is about time that I get back around to it...Jonathan Erdmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04234688186113838474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-74200747798955880242006-10-10T20:03:00.000-04:002006-10-10T20:03:00.000-04:00My favorite CS Lewis!My favorite CS Lewis!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com