tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post7781237590951193373..comments2023-10-31T07:23:17.922-04:00Comments on The Theos Project: Bearing the Cross of Fame and ImmortalityJonathan Erdmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04234688186113838474noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-43889626306196422312007-12-19T09:07:00.000-05:002007-12-19T09:07:00.000-05:00Hey Preston,I noticed from your profile that you "...Hey Preston,<BR/><BR/>I noticed from your profile that you "home church." How is that going?<BR/><BR/>As I read your comment I wondered whether there is, perhaps, a problem with not just with <I>how</I> we measure success but also with the very concept of <I>success</I>. As I watch my ministry friends grapple with how to measure success I just always wonder if "success" is really what Christ followers should be concerned about. If one of my Christ-following friends falls into an adulterous relationship, is this "failure"? Perhaps. But what about the countless millions of American believers that are just going through the Christian motions and have been spiritually content with their religious routine for decades. To me that is more of a failure than a "big sin." In fact, the big sins can jolt us out of complacency and into the sweet bliss of God's grace.<BR/><BR/>So, what is success? And why should I care?Jonathan Erdmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04234688186113838474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-80675202971476778672007-12-18T23:18:00.000-05:002007-12-18T23:18:00.000-05:00Interesting post. I agree with melody's comment, ...Interesting post. I agree with melody's comment, but I think this problem has intensified over the past few decades. Look at what we call churches now - its no longer the church in the corner but its "Mega-church". Why?? Because our culture associates success with size, largeness, quantity. The "more" someone has thus the "more" successful he or she is. This is clearly not how the church is to measure success, but we measure success on how people are living their lives,their love and devotion to Christ.Preston Nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09991774143865736294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-22748512282893525602007-12-13T00:54:00.000-05:002007-12-13T00:54:00.000-05:00Jon: Thank you for your reflection indeed.Jon: Thank you for your reflection indeed.CHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10022927035842624341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-8814892870347111322007-12-12T02:44:00.000-05:002007-12-12T02:44:00.000-05:00Well put, Ktismatics.Well put, Ktismatics.daniel hutchinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02874414229531959571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-30959950703748891722007-12-11T19:19:00.000-05:002007-12-11T19:19:00.000-05:00"I do not see a war going on in those nations, but..."I do not see a war going on in those nations, but rather a police action by the American state upholding the global order."<BR/><BR/>How would framing Iraq and Palestine as police state situations make the suicide spree killers in America more similar to suicide bombers elsewhere? Are you saying, Daniel, that the pressure of living in the American police state anywhere in the world leads to similar psychological distress anywhere in the world? That would be a provocative thesis. Are you suggesting that the Americanization of the world via Empire generates a sense of alienation and despair wherever it materializes? And that the political expression of frustration over American hegemony in other cultures corresponds directly to the isolated anomie characterizing the loner shooter in America?john doylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05484728969355294193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-80763063428957455622007-12-11T16:08:00.000-05:002007-12-11T16:08:00.000-05:00Jon, recent events have also led me to this questi...Jon, recent events have also led me to this question. So there are kids going into malls, schools,colleges and now churches to kill others and immolate themselves, and it seems to me that its all linked up with an experience of rejection at these places. So the kids that are rejected at school, envision the act of vengeance at the very site of their humiliation, and likewise with the mall, college... and UN embassy? <BR/><BR/>The latest incident at YWAM and the New Life Church showed this because the suicide gunman had been homeschooled and confined within Christian circles by his parents (reading between the lines of the press). Hence his rage manifested in the social space that he associated with his own failures and hatred. <BR/><BR/>(Interestingly, the message of hate he broadcast on the net on Saturday has been pulled off, presumably to avoid the massive attention it would receive were it to remain there. This seems like the right way to deal with the "virtual fame" side of things.)<BR/><BR/>I disagree somehow with Sam who in the last discussion asserted there is a difference between suicide bombers in Iraq, Israel, and elsewhere in the world, and the suicide gunmen terrorising America. Maybe this is because I do not see a war going on in those nations, but rather a police action by the American state upholding the global order. Or conversely, the same police action that Sam identifies within the USA, could be seen as a kind of war. The youth in the two contexts may have different ways of framing their discontent, and plainly Muslim fundamentalism is different to the youtube slayer mentality, but at base I suspect a similiar process of alienation and despair going on. I'm sure others are in a better position to explain the link better, from a psychological and spiritual point of view.daniel hutchinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02874414229531959571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-74681846377628848402007-12-11T16:04:00.000-05:002007-12-11T16:04:00.000-05:00In light of this situation, my question is this: I...<I>In light of this situation, my question is this: Is the church really all that different?.... We put people on pedestals and create hierarchies.</I><BR/><BR/>Clearly not, Paul warned against this type of thing, so it was a problem long before youtube and pop stardom.Melodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10071513255237535104noreply@blogger.com