tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post8429694985589904531..comments2023-10-31T07:23:17.922-04:00Comments on The Theos Project: Richard Hawkins and Media ImmortalityJonathan Erdmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04234688186113838474noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-87428657739279764912007-12-12T10:13:00.000-05:002007-12-12T10:13:00.000-05:00I agree with your judgment: leave it, it adds ano...I agree with your judgment: leave it, it adds another flavor to the stew.john doylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05484728969355294193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-70996532913934126252007-12-12T08:45:00.000-05:002007-12-12T08:45:00.000-05:00Wow.I didn't catch on to that until just now!Ktism...Wow.<BR/><BR/>I didn't catch on to that until just now!<BR/><BR/>Ktismatics and Sam: You are absolutely right.<BR/><BR/>As I recall, I wrote the post a few days back and posted it the day or so after I wrote it. I cleaned it up and posted. But the title was something I slapped on rather quickly, as I remember. So, the error in the first name is either completely random or occurred at a subconscious level.<BR/><BR/>I don't think that I have any subconscious resentment toward Richard Dawkins, but I can understand how one would think that from looking at the post. There is only a one letter difference between the two names. I don't typically argue on the same terms as Dawkins, i.e. evidential/evolution/etc. He and those who respond to him are "playing a different game" than I usually play. And, as a general rule, I root against establishment Xianity.<BR/><BR/>But this was slopping posting. I apologize.<BR/><BR/>Should I leave it? Or change it?<BR/><BR/>I tend to think that I should leave it, since it has been duly noted by Sam and yourself. It will be a reminder for me to pay more attention.<BR/><BR/>Sorry, Sam, that I did not pick up your initial comment about Richard Hawkins being a pun. That one blew past me!<BR/><BR/>Thanks for following up with that, K.Jonathan Erdmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04234688186113838474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-41173570564973737512007-12-12T08:21:00.000-05:002007-12-12T08:21:00.000-05:00"In Cho's case and with Robert Hawkins - i guess y..."In Cho's case and with Robert Hawkins - i guess your Richard in the title is a pun?"<BR/><BR/>You never responded to Sam's question, Mr. Danger. The shooter's name is Robert Hawkins, as you note in your post, but you call him Richard in the title. For Sam and for me this misnomer conjures an association with Richard Dawkins, the atheistic scientist and media celebrity. Were you consciously trying to engineer this association in your readers' minds?john doylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05484728969355294193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-66576689681822289142007-12-12T04:18:00.000-05:002007-12-12T04:18:00.000-05:00"Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki has c..."Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki has condemned the car bomb attacks in Algeria, which left more than 67 people dead. In a message of condolence to his Algerian counterpart Mourad Medelci, Mottaki denounced the terrorist act which claimed the lives of scores of innocent civilians.<BR/><BR/>"Two blasts one near the Algiers Supreme Court and another in a nearby residential area on Tuesday killed at least 67 people, and wounded many others. Ten United Nations' employees were among the dead. There have been a number of bomb attacks in the country this year claimed by al-Qaeda."john doylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05484728969355294193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-241810707741173112007-12-11T20:30:00.000-05:002007-12-11T20:30:00.000-05:00One small correction: Psychology can't rely on med...One small correction: Psychology can't rely on medication as treatment. That's psychiatry. Psychologists can't prescribe anything.Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03226787274021701941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-4819552243921991262007-12-11T07:06:00.000-05:002007-12-11T07:06:00.000-05:00Chris, I used to be involved in YWAM too, long lon...Chris, I used to be involved in YWAM too, long long ago, in Morocco, when I think they didn't have very many outposts at all. And I live just down the road from Arvada, where I had no idea YWAM had a training center there.<BR/><BR/>This morning I read about 50 people getting blown up in Algeria, the next country over from Morocco, probably caused by al-Qaida affiliates. In an Algerian election 15 years ago, Muslim fundamentalists were poised to win the presidency but the military imposed martial law to keep the present government in power. A protracted civil war ensued, in which over 100 thousand people have died. Algeria has a lot of oil which it sells to Europe, and the military-backed government called in the EU to help quell guerrilla-led uprisings in parts of Algeria. There have been over the years several terrorist attacks in France, which is the former colonial ruler of Algeria. <BR/><BR/>Algeria won independence in a long war during the 50s, which also involved a lot of guerrilla tactics and terrorism and left a lot of residual resentment among the French and other Europeans. But millions of Algerians have emigrated to France looking for better jobs. So there's ongoing tension between France and Algeria, and significant mistrust between the "French French" and the "bronze French" -- the North African minority.<BR/><BR/>So... when we read about an al Qaida affiliate claiming responsibility for today's bombing in Algeria, do we think about the spread of Qaida throughout the "Middle East" -- even though Algeria is just about exactly as far west as Paris -- and how important it is for America to chase them down wherever they go? Do we think about forgiving Qaida for this latest attack? Forgiving the Algerian military for preventing the popularly-elected Muslim fundamentalists from taking control of the government? Forgiving France for trying to prevent Algeria's independence?john doylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05484728969355294193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-12632004677261789852007-12-10T23:25:00.000-05:002007-12-10T23:25:00.000-05:00Some folks haven't been reading paul very closely:...<I>Some folks haven't been reading paul very closely: "while we were yet sinners"</I><BR/><BR/>Yeah sure - He made it possible to forgive us - but it isn't like that wiped the slate clean for everyone because we have grace <I>through</I> faith...it's a gift from God to those who believe...until we accept it we're dead in trespasses and sin, yes?Melodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10071513255237535104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-73804930342942227332007-12-10T22:53:00.000-05:002007-12-10T22:53:00.000-05:00Some folks haven't been reading paul very closely:...Some folks haven't been reading paul very closely: "while we were yet sinners"Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12014124722441378520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-27215126073650529442007-12-10T22:13:00.000-05:002007-12-10T22:13:00.000-05:00Emily has a point. We must be willing to forgive,...Emily has a point. We must be willing to forgive, but if someone doesn't ask for forgiveness, we do not forgive them. Exception: a minor offence that is to be overlooked, per Proverbs. "If your brother sins against you, go to him. If he repents, you have won your brother over." If not, well...he's unforgiven. <BR/><BR/>And yes, Jon, God only forgives those who ask. Repentance and faith are both necessary for the forgiveness of sins.Christopher Mark Van Allsburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16955371990568269785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-55025267644632165962007-12-10T17:25:00.000-05:002007-12-10T17:25:00.000-05:00Jon, when it comes to "deconstructing a digital de...Jon, when it comes to "deconstructing a digital demographic"... well, it just occurred to me that the people doing the blogging are by and large not the people doing the newsmaking.<BR/><BR/>The average age of the newsmaker is younger than the average age of the blogger.<BR/><BR/>Is there a probable future where the ancient codes for social roles of different generations and respect for elders is resurrected, where the elderly blog (discuss events in the comfort of their homes) while the young and foolhardy do the risky business of living?daniel hutchinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02874414229531959571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-48011892223039987492007-12-10T16:30:00.000-05:002007-12-10T16:30:00.000-05:00Daniel:What I find troubling is the discourse that...Daniel:<BR/><I>What I find troubling is the discourse that we need to "forgive ourselves", an idea gaining in popularity in the midst of personal tragedy, rendering Christ's atoning death on the cross unnecessary.</I><BR/><BR/>I'm not sure Emily was meaning to endorse popular notions of forgiveness, but I'll let her weigh in with her thoughts on this.<BR/><BR/>I was recently watching the film, Garden State. In it the lead character has been medicated ever since he was a kid because he pushed his mother, who subsequently fell onto/into an open and active dishwasher that had a defective latch and had fallen open. His mother was paralyzed. Anyway, the lead character is talking to his father (a shrink who had him put on meds so that he couldn't "act out" again) who suggests that the kid (26 yr.) needs to forgive himself. The kid responds by saying, "I think they made a shitty latch." He then says that he is there with his father not to forgive himself but to forgive his father for medicating him and leaving him numb and without feeling all these years.<BR/><BR/>It is interesting that the "forgive yourself" tag line is becoming something of a cliche such that even a cliche movie like Garden State can take a crack at it.<BR/><BR/>In philosophy the idea of <I>forgiveness</I> has been discussed a good deal over in France and then it spills over a bit here in the States. On a popular level in America, though, much of the discussion remains on a vague level where we kind of repeat the cliches that come down to us from daytime television and self-help gurus.Jonathan Erdmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04234688186113838474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-54633922835497217672007-12-10T16:07:00.000-05:002007-12-10T16:07:00.000-05:00Jon: Does God forgive humankind their sins if they...<I>Jon: Does God forgive humankind their sins if they do not ask for it?</I><BR/><BR/>God sent His Son (fully God and fully human - so the only perfect sacrifice) to die on the cross for the sins of the world. He did die for every single sin that ever was and ever will be committed by anyone. He did this, He loved us, before we made any kind of a move toward Him.<BR/><BR/>BUT for the blood Christ shed on the cross to cover me, to cover all the sins I have committed up until now, the blood payment must be <I>applied</I> to my account. This can't happen until we accept Christ as the only Way, our only personal Savior from the hell, torture and spiritual death we deserve. So in effect, we do have to ask for God's forgiveness.<BR/><BR/>After my initial acceptance of Christ, every time I commit a new sin, the blood is automatically applied to that sin. But I still need to make things right relationally with God and whoever the sin affected.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Dan, good point that we can't/shouldn't forgive ourselves. I completely agree.Emilyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00936753582229635864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-76878638370908691342007-12-10T15:49:00.000-05:002007-12-10T15:49:00.000-05:00Sam:The media likes to portray itself as having th...Sam:<BR/><I>The media likes to portray itself as having the scoop, the inside info, they are embedded, they have access to 'the experts' and they don't just report news but also 'help us' to analyse both the events and their implications.</I><BR/><BR/>"Fox News. Fair and Balanced. We report, you decide."Jonathan Erdmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04234688186113838474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-66182253780492793782007-12-10T15:22:00.000-05:002007-12-10T15:22:00.000-05:00Jon, your idea of blogging as a space for reflecti...Jon, your idea of blogging as a space for reflection is most interesting. What seems to frustrate this is that the blogging medium still represents itself in "homologous open time" (Benedict Andersen) just like a daily newspaper. What is still of prime importance is that we as the blogging community remain on the same page, moving along with the calendar in our imagined community.<BR/><BR/>The chronological reel of discussion after discussion leads to the same fatigue we experience with the older media, only now with a slightly different rhythm and longer cycle. Still it remains a pause for reflection if you will, relative to the fast pace of the daily news. <BR/><BR/>If I post in one of last week's blogs however, I am unlikely to generate much reflection.<BR/><BR/>Emily said:<BR/><BR/><I>If someone commits a sin that affects me, I shouldn't just automatically say to the person, "I forgive you." We don't grant relational forgiveness to someone until the person has come to ask for forgiveness. (It might be appropriate to go the offender expressing how you were hurt and ask for an apology.) Otherwise, we are sugarcoating the offense and soothing the guilt the offender should rightly feel for the action.<BR/><BR/>We should, however, immediately forgive the offender by going to God and releasing the offense to Him. This is acknowledging that someone did something bad against us or a loved one (ultimately God) but saying that we give up any right we thought we might have had to get even or stew over it. We're saying it's in God's hands.</I><BR/><BR/>What I find troubling is the discourse that we need to "forgive ourselves", an idea gaining in popularity in the midst of personal tragedy, rendering Christ's atoning death on the cross unnecessary.<BR/><BR/>To refer the sadness of the current examples, the parents of the destructive teen will be counselled to "forgive" themselves for allowing him access to the rifle. The parents will be offered a kind of absolution in this way. But only God can forgive us and release us from guilt when we ask him too do so through the blood of Jesus. Any other method is a cover up, and brings no healing.<BR/><BR/>The world seems in danger of swallowing a self-forgiveness heresy, so that when things go wrong and we make mistakes instead of turning to God in prayer we make a fraudulent appeal to the god of ourselves. It seems like the discourse around USA war in Iraq is heading this way, not to mention the mistakes we are grappling with here in South Africa and every nation of the world for that matter.daniel hutchinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02874414229531959571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-65218747683695648252007-12-10T14:20:00.000-05:002007-12-10T14:20:00.000-05:00"I don't know that I see this as an entirely negat..."I don't know that I see this as an entirely negative thing"<BR/>It doesn't have to be a negative thing. there should be a sense that the public are mulling over what the media reports without necessarily swallowing it hook line and sinker. <BR/><BR/>The media likes to portray itself as having the scoop, the inside info, they are embedded, they have access to 'the experts' and they don't just report news but also 'help us' to analyse both the events and their implications. It is often taken too much for granted that the public will believe what they are told and will believe also how they should believe.<BR/><BR/>It's the knee jerk reaction that the Neocon gang have relied too heavily on and that has now resulted in greater introspection as well as a healthy skepticism about spin as well as the more obviously slanted analysis.<BR/> <BR/>One would also hope that those who have also been exposed to the deconstructive power of the gospel would perhaps also be able to provide a slightly differrant analysis...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12014124722441378520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-47436261787494857072007-12-10T13:55:00.000-05:002007-12-10T13:55:00.000-05:00JPS:hmmm...seems the old Homeric ideal of fame has...JPS:<BR/><I>hmmm...seems the old Homeric ideal of fame has been twisted into a new idea by our society...<BR/><BR/>By the way, when did media become singular?</I><BR/><BR/>JPS,<BR/><BR/>I think for this context I would use the singular. This is not to imply that the media all express the same perspective, but they all have the commonality of spreading information and news at the speed of light and creating instant hype regarding any item of general interest.<BR/><BR/>As Daniel says, it is a here-today-gone-tomorrow kind of a media experience. It is a blitz of images and facts and news and information that is replaced moments later by a new story. We have a certain Attention Deficit Disorder here.<BR/><BR/>Contra Sam, I don't know that I see this as an entirely negative thing. It certainly may have sounded that way from my post, but really I just think that we have to now deal with the way that technology has changed the way we live, think, and feel. This has certainly had some negative results, however, as you pointed out, Sam. And it will probably continue to have negative results as we learn to live in a new era of human civilization, clumsily trying to understand the meaning of our virtual lives.<BR/><BR/>One example: how do we sustain real reflection on issues when each new news story is perpetually being recycled into a new one? Is that where discussion groups and blogs come it--a place for sustained reflection?Jonathan Erdmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04234688186113838474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-36349327628143412912007-12-10T13:48:00.000-05:002007-12-10T13:48:00.000-05:00Emily:If someone commits a sin that affects me, I ...Emily:<BR/><I>If someone commits a sin that affects me, I shouldn't just automatically say to the person, "I forgive you." We don't grant relational forgiveness to someone until the person has come to ask for forgiveness. (It might be appropriate to go the offender expressing how you were hurt and ask for an apology.) Otherwise, we are sugarcoating the offense and soothing the guilt the offender should rightly feel for the action.</I><BR/><BR/>Emily,<BR/>Does God forgive humankind their sins if they do not ask for it?Jonathan Erdmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04234688186113838474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-82445642753175955632007-12-10T13:28:00.000-05:002007-12-10T13:28:00.000-05:00mea culpa. Your medium blew it up.mea culpa. Your medium blew it up.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12014124722441378520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-73219356962948429912007-12-10T12:41:00.000-05:002007-12-10T12:41:00.000-05:00hmmm...seems the old Homeric ideal of fame has bee...hmmm...seems the old Homeric ideal of fame has been twisted into a new idea by our society...<BR/><BR/>By the way, when did media become singular?<BR/><BR/>Jamesjpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06017353888045816159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-81373652227304914272007-12-10T12:36:00.000-05:002007-12-10T12:36:00.000-05:00Warren said, "...Our belief is that only God is th...Warren said, <I>"...Our belief is that only God is the judge and our place is to forgive and that's a difficult thing to do, but really, I think it's the right thing to do," said Warren.</I><BR/><BR/>I think the general attitude of forgiveness that Warren conveyed is good. But we need to remember that individuals forgive, while the government very much has the right to judge (and should). I assume Warren meant this.<BR/><BR/>Then onto forgiving a killer or any other offender...<BR/><BR/>If someone commits a sin that affects me, I shouldn't just automatically say to the person, "I forgive you." We don't grant relational forgiveness to someone until the person has come to ask for forgiveness. (It might be appropriate to go the offender expressing how you were hurt and ask for an apology.) Otherwise, we are sugarcoating the offense and soothing the guilt the offender should rightly feel for the action.<BR/><BR/>We should, however, immediately forgive the offender by going to God and releasing the offense to Him. This is acknowledging that someone did something bad against us or a loved one (ultimately God) but saying that we give up any right we thought we might have had to get even or stew over it. We're saying it's in God's hands.Emilyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00936753582229635864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-81385376575823518962007-12-10T08:07:00.000-05:002007-12-10T08:07:00.000-05:00(From the YWAM press release after yesterday's sho...(From the YWAM press release after yesterday's shooting.)<BR/><BR/><I>Peter Warren, the Director of Youth with a Mission Denver says they had just finished a Christmas banquet when the suspect arrived and asked a 22-year-old woman from Minnesota if he could be housed for the evening. When she told him they could not house him, that's when, Warren says, the suspect opened fired with an automatic handgun, hitting four people. Police say they do not know whether the shooting was random or if there was a motive. <BR/><BR/>Warren says, "The young man – I don't know who he is; I don't think [the victims] knew him – but he must be going through a lot personally in his own life to do something like this. Our belief is that only God is the judge and our place is to forgive and that's a difficult thing to do, but really, I think it's the right thing to do," said Warren.<BR/><BR/>There are about 80 people living on the Arvada campus and they have been transported to the group's mountain campus near Golden, Colorado where they will stay while the murder investigation is processed at their residence. Warren says they are trying to deal with this situation as best as they can.<BR/><BR/>"There's no blueprint for this," said Warren. "You know, we're just going to be honest, we're going to pray with one another and cry with one another. These kids were like our kids, you know. It's just such a tragedy, but who knows what's going on in this young man's life."<BR/><BR/>YWAM International Chairman Lynn Green released this statement: "We feel a deep sense of loss today and we grieve with the families and those who were very close friends of the victims. Our surviving students and staff are being well cared for and we have total confidence in those who are responsible for the training program in Arvada to care for those who have been subjected to this assault. <BR/><BR/>"Those who lost their lives had dedicated themselves to serve and we feel the sorrow of their absence. Yet we take comfort from the assurance of everlasting life for those who follow Christ in loving service to others. <BR/><BR/>"It is a great tragedy that our culture seems to produce so many deeply troubled people who express their frustration in violence. We forgive the assailant and we rededicate ourselves to serving young people in the hope that we might bring healing to other needy youth."</I><BR/><BR/>YWAM's response to the horrible attack on their staff is commendable and challenging. From extensive personal experience with the organization - my wife, father, and sister have all been missionaries with YWAM - I can vouch for the excellence of their leadership and organizational structure valuing one-on-one ministry and sincere love for God and one another.daniel hutchinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02874414229531959571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-9544776933501925972007-12-10T02:05:00.000-05:002007-12-10T02:05:00.000-05:00Jon, I think there's a difference in that the suic...Jon, I think there's a difference in that the suicide bomber is at war and any war's first frontier is always the hype and PR on both sides. Suicide bombing is terrible but the fear of suicide bombing is worse.<BR/><BR/>Your own 'war on terror' is the result of just this fear. If the twin towers had collapsed on their own, killing 3,000 it would have been a terrible disaster and the backlash of anger would have been against the builders and the city that certified the building as safe and after a lot of grief that would have been that.<BR/><BR/>America with its media overreaction (and a gleefully dumb Chenney-Bush at the helm) in a real sense played into the hands of Osama's gang and even that famous terrorist could hardly have hoped for better than to suck the US singlehandedly into such a disastrous enterprise - and all because your own media blew it up! <BR/>Contrast the response of Spain to a similar tragedy...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12014124722441378520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-38822065599268678682007-12-09T17:24:00.000-05:002007-12-09T17:24:00.000-05:00Jon, the concept of "virtual immortality" is certa...Jon, the concept of "virtual immortality" is certainly thought provoking. The mind seems incapable of developing social responses at pace with technological developments. <BR/><BR/>A new circle of Hell?<BR/><BR/>Ethics, community, family, all disintegrate in the electronic buzz. Man and machine the denominator.<BR/><BR/>How long this version of immortality: anyone got 15 minutes?<BR/><BR/>The trash heap of yesterdays news, or until the next story comes along (Chris's cycle). A burning fire in Alexandria's rubbish dump when the oil runs out, the wheel stops turning, and the computer screen flickers and dies.daniel hutchinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02874414229531959571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-10385004361371647422007-12-09T13:53:00.000-05:002007-12-09T13:53:00.000-05:00Chris:I just get very sad about this. I was even t...Chris:<BR/><I>I just get very sad about this. I was even thinking, a few days before this: "Let's see...V-Tech was about six months ago, and prior to that was the mall shooting in Utah, and just prior was the Amish massacre. We are due for another mass murder."<BR/><BR/>I was right.</I><BR/><BR/>Kind of prophetic. Kind of scary. But we all have the same kinds of feelings: where is it going to happen next. It can truly happen anywhere. We had a suburbia shooting here in Warsaw with a family that I know very well. It wasn't of the mall/school shooting variety - it was a domestic issue. However, I have no doubt any longer that these things can hit close to home. And, yes, you are right. It is very sad. Sad to see orphans and loved ones grieve what appears to be a meaningless loss.Jonathan Erdmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04234688186113838474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-18238047225112733042007-12-09T13:49:00.000-05:002007-12-09T13:49:00.000-05:00Sam:I doubt that J the R really wondered whether h...Sam:<BR/><I>I doubt that J the R really wondered whether he would become famous.</I><BR/><BR/>There is a quote circulating that supposedly Jack the Ripper said that he would usher in the 20th century. If true, then this would presume some desire on J the R's part for public notice and historical impact/relevance.<BR/><BR/><I>In Cho's case and with Robert Hawkins - i guess your Richard in the title is a pun? - the fame angle may play a larger role and may have a motivational component in which case this is a new class of killing spree altogether and may be qualitatively different from the 'nutter who lost it' that we are more familiar with.</I><BR/><BR/>Yea, that's what I think. And if this is so, then I think we have another link between these suburbia suicide shooters and Islamic suicide bombers: They both use the media as much as they possibly can to promote their message/story. It is quite fascinating to me, because a lot of what is going on would not be possible without postmodern forms of communication.Jonathan Erdmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04234688186113838474noreply@blogger.com