tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post8601216620676916315..comments2023-10-31T07:23:17.922-04:00Comments on The Theos Project: Chapman and Warner - Rethinking Evangelism in the Old TestamentJonathan Erdmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04234688186113838474noreply@blogger.comBlogger115125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-21571663683569138292008-02-28T09:33:00.000-05:002008-02-28T09:33:00.000-05:00"What is going on in Iraq is adoption on a larger ..."What is going on in Iraq is adoption on a larger scale, of one nation's destiny by another."<BR/><BR/>In this analogy the adoptive parent says that the adult in its care is really an infant, incapable of taking care of itself. And the adoptive parent wants to be publicly praised as having done a good deed by taking this adult infant under its protection and raising it properly.john doylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05484728969355294193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-72791730830441448102008-02-28T07:21:00.000-05:002008-02-28T07:21:00.000-05:00What is going on in Iraq is adoption on a larger s...What is going on in Iraq is adoption on a larger scale, of one nation's destiny by another.<BR/><BR/>That's one way of looking at it. It was suggested by Jon and Ktismatics' exchange earlier.daniel hutchinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02874414229531959571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-16341047479889251072008-02-27T08:41:00.000-05:002008-02-27T08:41:00.000-05:00a better answer would engage with this complexity....<I>a better answer would engage with this complexity.</I><BR/><BR/>A <I>longer</I> answer would have. I started to write one, but it just gets verbose and in the end the only possible conclusion is that it depends on the individual situations.<BR/><BR/>Why are we even discussing adoption? What does that have to do with anything?Melodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10071513255237535104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-25934118379248410472008-02-27T05:47:00.000-05:002008-02-27T05:47:00.000-05:00Your answer is both good and bad too! Because it's...Your answer is both good and bad too! Because it's true that it is too complex to state whether its good or bad, but a better answer would engage with this complexity.<BR/><BR/>What would make it good to adopt an infant? What would make it bad?<BR/><BR/>I'm glad you agree that adoption isn't in itself automatically good (or bad).<BR/><BR/>Does one need to be a good person to make a good adoptive parent? What does it mean to be a good person? etc. etc.<BR/><BR/>Well, thanks for responding.daniel hutchinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02874414229531959571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-83784737549252394082008-02-26T08:51:00.000-05:002008-02-26T08:51:00.000-05:00I have a question for Melody if she is still visit...<I>I have a question for Melody if she is still visiting this thread. What do you think of American celebrities adopting kids from poor nations? Is this a good thing.</I><BR/><BR/>I think that it's much too complicated an issue to simply stamp "good" or "bad".Melodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10071513255237535104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-16727148052853040362008-02-26T07:56:00.000-05:002008-02-26T07:56:00.000-05:00The ambivalence you speak of Kt isn't confined to ...The ambivalence you speak of Kt isn't confined to so-called "whites".<BR/><BR/>Every one is entitled to their own opinion. However I don't think there are many people around ready to give a spirited defense of Apartheid. World opinion has changed.<BR/><BR/>Or maybe not that much judging by what you contend regarding Iraq Kt. Well, we can safely say racism is on the decline in the directly applicable discrimanatory sense perfected by Apartheid legislation.<BR/><BR/>I have a question for Melody if she is still visiting this thread. What do you think of American celebrities adopting kids from poor nations? Is this a good thing.daniel hutchinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02874414229531959571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-50540087835419742892008-02-22T16:46:00.000-05:002008-02-22T16:46:00.000-05:00Yes I do get the feeling. But at the same time I g...Yes I do get the feeling. But at the same time I get your assertion that God may well have commanded genocidal eradication of whole populations and that he might decide to do it again, and that you worship this God. And I know that a lot of evangelicals -- heck, a lot of Democrats -- believe that the Iraqis (non-Christian, non-Western, swarthy of complexion) aren't capable of self-rule. And there's the history of our own country, where even after the Civil War white Protestants in the South maintained a de facto policy of apartheid. And I suspect that there remains a considerable ambivalence among South African whites about whether the current rather stagnant, corrupt and unsettled political-economic situation is better than what used to be.john doylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05484728969355294193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-64874214352121821882008-02-21T16:36:00.000-05:002008-02-21T16:36:00.000-05:00I'd say it's bivalent, ambiguous, undecidable on s...I'd say it's bivalent, ambiguous, undecidable on strictly textual grounds.john doylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05484728969355294193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-91351260064178797172008-02-21T15:10:00.000-05:002008-02-21T15:10:00.000-05:00But you do have hermeneutical grounds for interpre...But you do have hermeneutical grounds for interpreting it satirically.Jonathan Erdmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04234688186113838474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-11620630669534828342008-02-21T12:13:00.000-05:002008-02-21T12:13:00.000-05:00"We left the cradle a long time ago. Now we have t..."We left the cradle a long time ago. Now we have to return and help out the infants."<BR/><BR/>Hermeneutically speaking, nothing in this brief text suggests that the author is speaking ironically or satirically. Is the reader to infer that the statement accurately reflects the author's opinion?john doylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05484728969355294193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-74684730729484836732008-02-20T10:07:00.000-05:002008-02-20T10:07:00.000-05:00We left the cradle a long time ago. Now we have to...We left the cradle a long time ago. Now we have to return and help out the infants.Jonathan Erdmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04234688186113838474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-49759311614787858572008-02-20T10:05:00.000-05:002008-02-20T10:05:00.000-05:00Chris can have a signed copy of my blog.Chris can have a signed copy of my blog.Jonathan Erdmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04234688186113838474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-8529679461540409592008-02-20T08:48:00.000-05:002008-02-20T08:48:00.000-05:00"what is a more interesting question is to conside..."what is a more interesting question is to consider why many people believed Apartheid to be good in the first place."<BR/><BR/>I don't know much about South African history, but I presume the whites in particular believed apartheid was good, mostly for purposes of economic exploitation. I can imagine the colonial whites arguing that the blacks weren't ready for self-rule, that they weren't civilized enough, perhaps also not Christian enough, that in fact the white rulers were doing a good deed in stabilizing the region, extracting underutilized resources, providing jobs, etc.<BR/><BR/>On a related note, I just read an article describing how the US is trying to teach the Iraqi government the "rule of law." According to the Americans interviewed the Iraqis have a long way to go before they can rule themselves in a civilized and just manner. Hey, we're just there to help. This in the Tigris-Euphrates valley, the cradle of civilization.john doylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05484728969355294193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-61985033260368199582008-02-19T19:45:00.000-05:002008-02-19T19:45:00.000-05:00Yeah man. I'd like somethin'. You know, a toaster...Yeah man. I'd like somethin'. You know, a toaster, maybe a card, or some royalties some day.<BR/>gitit!Christopher Mark Van Allsburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16955371990568269785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-83885653595336848212008-02-19T17:00:00.000-05:002008-02-19T17:00:00.000-05:00Nice play for immortality dude. You think Erdman w...Nice play for immortality dude. You think Erdman will send you a toaster or some other valuable prize?john doylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05484728969355294193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-43707584820814191392008-02-19T16:34:00.000-05:002008-02-19T16:34:00.000-05:00100th comment! woo hoo!!100th comment! woo hoo!!Christopher Mark Van Allsburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16955371990568269785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-42086471227140765022008-02-19T08:24:00.000-05:002008-02-19T08:24:00.000-05:00Kt, what is a more interesting question is to cons...Kt, what is a more interesting question is to consider why many people believed Apartheid to be good in the first place.<BR/><BR/>But I'll think about your question, I haven't thought of it like that before. Apart from considering the fact that there have been some strange bedfellows who united in the fight against Apartheid - and we now face the consequences of the confusion of mixed motives as we reconstruct a new South Africa.daniel hutchinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02874414229531959571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-43023265131350383132008-02-18T13:30:00.000-05:002008-02-18T13:30:00.000-05:00Daniel, I see from your blog that you live in Sout...Daniel, I see from your blog that you live in South Africa, and I see from your photo that you're white, so I suppose you've had to consider this question before: Was dismantling apartheid the right thing to do regardless of the motivations of those who made it happen?john doylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05484728969355294193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-3236273629170158982008-02-17T21:10:00.002-05:002008-02-17T21:10:00.002-05:00Yes.Yes.Christopher Mark Van Allsburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16955371990568269785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-88912022696849915752008-02-17T21:10:00.001-05:002008-02-17T21:10:00.001-05:00Yes.Yes.Christopher Mark Van Allsburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16955371990568269785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-42461413513078401212008-02-17T21:10:00.000-05:002008-02-17T21:10:00.000-05:00Yes.Yes.Christopher Mark Van Allsburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16955371990568269785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-14977378770593401402008-02-17T18:12:00.002-05:002008-02-17T18:12:00.002-05:00Well, you always were a good looking fella.Have yo...Well, you always were a good looking fella.<BR/><BR/>Have you ever relied on your good looks to compensate for insecure feelings?Jonathan Erdmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04234688186113838474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-91139282455019904652008-02-17T18:12:00.001-05:002008-02-17T18:12:00.001-05:00Well, you always were a good looking fella.Have yo...Well, you always were a good looking fella.<BR/><BR/>Have you ever relied on your good looks to compensate for insecure feelings?Jonathan Erdmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04234688186113838474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-40735762865916163842008-02-17T18:12:00.000-05:002008-02-17T18:12:00.000-05:00Well, you always were a good looking fella.Have yo...Well, you always were a good looking fella.<BR/><BR/>Have you ever relied on your good looks to compensate for insecure feelings?Jonathan Erdmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04234688186113838474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9242710.post-43674345406266508142008-02-17T12:39:00.000-05:002008-02-17T12:39:00.000-05:00Jon,Yeah dude, you didn't know that? I'm incredib...Jon,<BR/>Yeah dude, you didn't know that? I'm incredibly vain! I was always concerned about my physical appearance, hence the trips to the gym and the cutoff tshirts. No more trips to the gym and no more cutoffs, and I'm making gains in decreasing my vanity (i think).<BR/><BR/>But, approaching the body and such things like clothing from the right perspective, beauty good. <BR/><BR/>I'd say, compared to a guy in NYC who is like, TOTALLY metro, I'm probably 25% there.<BR/><BR/>Most importantly, the trip to the spa was a gift from my most excellent wife.Christopher Mark Van Allsburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16955371990568269785noreply@blogger.com